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More Than Survival: My Conversation with Shanai Ragsdale on Suicide Prevention, Faith, and Hope After Crisis

More Than Survival: My Conversation with Shanai Ragsdale on Suicide Prevention, Faith, and Hope After Crisis

By Natasha Montgomery, M.A., LPC-S, LCDC

Content note: This article and episode discuss suicidal thoughts, suicide attempt survival, childhood sexual trauma, eating disorders, treatment, and suicide loss. Please consider your capacity before reading or watching.

I want us to stop treating someone’s ability to keep going as proof that they are okay.

The grades can be good. The career can be moving forward. The person can be smiling, raising children, answering messages, and doing everything we associate with having it together. None of that tells us the whole story of what it feels like to be that person.

In this episode of This Therapist Has Problems, I sit down with Shanai Ragsdale, a Texas REALTOR®, community advocate, mother of four, and suicide attempt survivor. Our conversation moves beyond the question of how someone survives a crisis. We also talk about what happens afterward: finding support, making sense of painful experiences, navigating faith, and wanting a life that is not organized entirely around enduring the next hard thing.

Looking Okay Is Not the Same as Feeling Okay

Shanai describes being an achiever while carrying pain that people around her did not necessarily see. Her story is a reminder that a person can be visible for what they accomplish and still feel unseen in what they are experiencing.

I do not hear that as a reason to be suspicious of every smile or achievement. I hear it as a reason to stay curious. Instead of assuming that someone is fine because they are doing well, I want us to leave room for a different answer.

That includes the child who gets good grades, the friend who organizes everything, and the colleague who always finds a way to deliver. When I say that we should not overlook the “good kids,” I am not suggesting that children who struggle more visibly are any less deserving. I am asking us to make care available without requiring anyone to demonstrate distress in a particular way.

A more meaningful check-in might begin with: “I see how much you are doing. How are you feeling while you are doing it?” Then comes the part that matters: making enough room to hear the answer without correcting, minimizing, or immediately trying to solve it.

When Achievement Becomes a Place to Hide

One of the strongest moments in this conversation is Shanai describing what it was like when a trauma response looked like success. She connects her own overachievement with trying to keep painful parts of her life out of view.

I want to be careful here. Achievement is not a diagnosis. Being ambitious does not prove that someone has experienced trauma. What matters is the person’s relationship with achievement and the experience underneath it.

There is a difference between enjoying what you do and feeling that you must perform perfectly so nobody looks too closely. There is a difference between choosing responsibility and believing you have no permission to need anything yourself.

The question I take from Shanai’s story is not “How successful are you?” It is “What does maintaining that success cost you, and do you have somewhere you can be honest about it?” I want people to have support before they run out of ways to appear okay.

Survival Does Not Make the Need for Care Disappear

Shanai speaks about a part of this subject that can get lost when we rush toward an uplifting ending: surviving an attempt does not automatically resolve the pain that came before it. Her account includes difficult feelings after survival, periods of change, and later moments when she recognized that she needed help again.

I do not want us to use someone else’s survival as permission to stop checking in. “You made it through” is not the same as “You have everything you need now.”

She also describes seeking counseling and later receiving more intensive outpatient support. I value that part of the conversation because it makes room for care to change. Needing additional support does not have to be framed as doing therapy wrong. It can be a reason to talk honestly with a qualified professional about what is happening and what level of care is appropriate.

I cannot determine that level of care for a reader through an article. What I can do is encourage honesty about symptoms, safety, and daily functioning rather than pressure to make a difficult experience sound manageable.

Faith Can Be Part of the Conversation Without Replacing Care

Faith is an important part of Shanai’s story. So are the questions she carried when she was hurting. I appreciate that she did not present a version of faith in which people never feel confused, angry, or alone.

I want there to be room for those questions. I do not want someone to hear this conversation and conclude that a mental health crisis means they did not pray enough, believe enough, or appreciate their life enough.

For some people, spiritual connection is meaningful support. Professional treatment can belong alongside it. For others, faith is not part of their life at all. Their need for care is no less valid. I am interested in support that respects the person, not support that requires them to borrow someone else’s beliefs.

Shanai also describes the meaning motherhood held for her. I honor that as her experience, not a prescription. People without children are equally worthy of care. People who love their families deeply can still struggle. I do not want guilt to become our strategy for helping someone stay safe.

The Pressure to Be Strong Can Make Honesty Harder

We talk about silence in Black and brown communities and the pressure many Black women experience to continue carrying everything. I do not want that conversation to flatten entire communities into one story. Our families, histories, relationships with care, and experiences of being heard are not all the same.

What I do want to challenge is the message that needing help means we are weak, ungrateful, or not busy enough. Those messages can make it harder to say, “Something is wrong, and I need support.”

Community can become a place where we practice a different response. We can stop praising endurance without asking about its cost. We can respect a person’s decision to seek treatment. We can ask what would help instead of insisting that we already know.

That kind of support does not require a perfect speech. It requires willingness to listen and a recognition that loving someone does not mean we can meet every need they have by ourselves.

What Support Can Look Like in Practice

I want this conversation to leave people with more than an encouraging sentence. When we are concerned about someone, a direct, caring conversation matters. The National Institute of Mental Health recommends asking about suicide, listening without judgment, helping make the environment safer, connecting the person with support, and following up. Asking directly does not increase suicidal thoughts. Read NIMH’s five action steps.

I also want to name a boundary: a friend, a podcast host, or a social media account is not a substitute for a crisis response. A caring person can help someone connect with appropriate help, but no one should have to wait for an Instagram message to be answered before seeking it.

If someone does not respond well to a disclosure, that response is not a measure of the person’s worth. I would want them to have another route to support, not another reason to go silent.

More Than Survival Is an Invitation, Not a Deadline

I keep coming back to the title of this episode because it holds two truths together. Staying alive matters. So does having support to build a life that can include connection, rest, meaning, and joy.

I do not want the phrase “more than survival” to become one more demand on a person who is already exhausted. Some days, getting through with support is a meaningful step. Healing does not need to look impressive to count.

My hope is that this conversation makes it easier to recognize when help is needed, ask an honest question, and take a next step toward care. You do not have to have your story organized before you begin that conversation.

A question I am taking with me: Where have I mistaken someone’s ability to keep functioning for evidence that they feel supported?

Meet Shanai Ragsdale

I am joined by Shanai Ragsdale, a Texas REALTOR®, community leader, former global technology sales leader, and mother of four. Licensed in real estate since 2009, Shanai has served as President of the Women’s Council of REALTORS® Collin County. She is also a suicide attempt survivor and mental health advocate. She shares her experience to challenge the assumption that outward success means someone cannot be struggling privately. Her message is grounded in faith, family, resilience, and the possibility of life after a mental health crisis. I appreciate her commitment to reducing shame and encouraging honest conversations about getting help.

Connect with Shanai on Instagram for her advocacy and connections around survivor stories, women’s leadership, and community events. Her social account is not a crisis service.

Work With Me

Through M.B.S. Whole Health, I offer counseling and individual therapy, support for women’s mental health, anxiety and depression, trauma and attachment work, life coaching, and LPC Associate supervision. I want the conversation to continue beyond the podcast for people who are ready to explore professional support.

For routine service questions or an appointment inquiry, contact M.B.S. Whole Health. We can discuss fit, eligibility, and next steps. Coaching and supervision are separate services, not substitutes for mental health treatment or crisis care.

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Support and Further Reading

If you are in suicidal crisis or emotional distress in the United States, call 988, text 988, chat https://988lifeline.org/chat/, or visit https://988lifeline.org. In a life-threatening emergency, contact emergency services or go to the nearest emergency department. My practice inquiry form and social accounts are not crisis services.

The episode names 988 and discusses professional treatment and community support. I have also included NIMH’s suicide-prevention action steps as additional reader education, not as a resource Shanai specifically recommended.

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Educational disclaimer: This article and episode offer education and personal reflections, not therapy, diagnosis, or individualized medical advice. They do not establish a therapist-client relationship. Please seek appropriate professional assessment and treatment for your situation.

What Happens When You Tell a Therapist You’re Having Suicidal Thoughts?

What Happens When You Tell a Therapist You’re Having Suicidal Thoughts?

Content note: This article and the accompanying episode discuss suicidal thoughts and self-harm without graphic descriptions. Please care for yourself as you read. If you need immediate emotional support in the United States, call or text 988 or visit 988lifeline.org. If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.

There are some words people are afraid to say out loud.

“I don’t want to be here.”

“I’m having suicidal thoughts.”

“I need help.”

Sometimes the fear is not only about admitting how much pain they are in. It is also fear of what will happen after they tell someone. Will their therapist panic? Will the police be called? Will they automatically be sent to a hospital? Will people see them differently?

Those fears can create silence at the exact moment honest support is needed.

In this episode of This Therapist Has Problems, I sat down with Amy Campi, LPC, LCDC for a candid conversation about suicidal thoughts, safety planning, therapy, and survival. Amy brings both lived experience and the perspective of a trauma-focused clinician. Her honesty gives us room to talk about something many people experience but still feel ashamed or afraid to name.

Suicidal thoughts do not always tell the whole story

One of the most important ideas in our conversation is that a suicidal thought may reflect a wish for overwhelming pain, fear, or pressure to stop. That does not make the thought unimportant. It means we need to slow down and understand what the person is actually experiencing instead of responding only to the most alarming word.

Amy described recognizing that she was in trouble and telling someone because she sensed that things could get worse if she stayed silent. That moment of reaching out mattered.

People may experience suicidal thoughts differently. Some thoughts may be brief or passive, such as feeling that they do not want to wake up or do not want to keep living this way. Other situations may involve greater immediacy, intent, planning, access, or preparation. These distinctions matter because support should match the person’s actual level of risk and need.

No article or podcast can assess an individual person’s safety. If the thoughts feel immediate, if there is an intention to act, or if a person cannot stay safe, call or text 988, call 911, or go to the nearest emergency room.

What happens when you tell a therapist?

Many people believe that mentioning suicide in therapy automatically leads to hospitalization. That fear may keep them from being honest.

A thoughtful clinician should ask more questions. They may explore how often the thoughts occur, whether they are happening right now, whether there is a plan or intent, whether the person has access to a way to harm themselves, what has helped them stay safe, and who can offer support. The clinician should also consider the person’s history, current stressors, protective factors, willingness to engage in care, and ability to follow a safety plan.

The goal is not to punish honesty. The goal is to understand the full picture and identify the safest, most appropriate level of support.

For some people, that may mean more frequent outpatient therapy, involving a trusted support person with permission, medication evaluation, an intensive outpatient program, or a partial hospitalization program. When the danger is immediate or the person cannot safely remain in the community, inpatient or emergency care may be necessary.

The right response is not one-size-fits-all.

A safety plan is more than a sheet of paper

As we discussed in the episode, a safety plan is not a guarantee that a crisis will disappear. It is a practical resource created before or during a difficult period so a person does not have to identify every next step while overwhelmed.

A safety plan may help someone identify:

  • Personal warning signs that a crisis is building
  • Coping strategies that can create a pause
  • People or places that provide distraction and connection
  • Trusted people who can offer direct support
  • Therapists, medical providers, crisis lines, and local emergency resources
  • Ways to reduce access to things that could be used for harm

The plan should be specific to the individual and created with a qualified professional whenever possible. Its purpose is to make support visible and easier to reach when the person’s thinking has narrowed around pain.

Asking directly does not plant the idea

Friends and family may notice that something is wrong but hesitate to ask about suicide because they fear introducing the idea. Research summarized by the National Institute of Mental Health shows that asking directly does not increase suicidal thoughts or behavior.

You can ask calmly and clearly: “Are you thinking about suicide?”

Then listen. Do not debate, shame, lecture, or rush to make the person reassure you. Ask what they need. Help them connect with support. If they are in immediate danger, do not leave them alone while you contact 988, 911, or emergency services.

NIMH offers five practical action steps: ask, be there, help keep the person safe, help them connect, and follow up. Read the complete guidance at NIMH.

The right therapist matters

Amy also spoke honestly about not connecting with her first therapist. That does not mean therapy cannot help. It means the relationship matters.

You deserve a therapist with whom you can say the difficult thing. You deserve someone who can remain present, ask thoughtful questions, and respond without shaming you or making their own fear the center of the room.

The first therapist may not be your therapist. It is okay to ask about a clinician’s experience with trauma, suicidal ideation, self-harm, and crisis assessment. It is okay to tell a therapist that the fit does not feel right. A caring provider can help you transition instead of leaving you unsupported while you search.

This moment is not the whole story

There may not be one dramatic moment when everything changes. Recovery can look like finding the right therapist, learning what triggers a spiral, involving supportive people, creating a safety plan, and remembering that an intense moment can pass.

Amy described how the thoughts became less frequent and less consuming over time with the right therapy and support. That is not a promise that every journey will look the same. It is a reminder that pain can change, support can help, and a person’s story is bigger than one difficult moment.

If you are struggling, please tell someone. A friend, family member, therapist, medical provider, spiritual leader, or 988 counselor can help you take the next step. You do not need perfect words. You can begin with: “I am not feeling safe, and I need support.”

This is not the end of your story.

Please watch the full conversation, then share it with someone who needs permission to say the words out loud.
Episode link: Say It Out Loud

About Amy Campi, LPC, LCDC

Amy has worked in the mental health and substance use fields since 2004. Before completing her advanced degree, she worked in a locked psychiatric unit for high-risk adolescents and as an adult probation officer with a high-risk caseload. Her postgraduate experience includes substance use evaluations, nonprofit organizations, intensive outpatient programs, private practice, and facilitating psychoeducational groups in jails. In private practice, Amy specializes in working with women who have experienced complex trauma and/or are struggling with substance use.

Amy is currently accepting new clients in Texas. She offers virtual sessions throughout the state and in-person sessions in Plano. She accepts UnitedHealthcare, Cigna, and Aetna, as well as private pay and clients using out-of-network benefits. Insurance participation can change, so prospective clients should confirm current coverage directly with the practice.

Learn more at Pirouette Counseling or connect with Amy Campi LPC, LCDC on Facebook.

Crisis and treatment resources

  • 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988, or chat at 988lifeline.org. Available 24/7 in the United States.
  • Find mental health and substance use treatment: FindTreatment.gov
  • How to help someone who may be having suicidal thoughts: NIMH’s 5 Action Steps
  • If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.

Educational disclaimer: This article and podcast are for education and general information. They are not therapy, medical advice, diagnosis, crisis assessment, or a substitute for care from a qualified professional who understands your individual situation.

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